Taking the country back, one talking point at a time
Bush derangement syndrome is so funny.
Also its a little funny that you would denigrate the service of people who served in the National Guard when you yourself never went to Vietnam nor protected the homeland in the guard.I mean really, where were you during the late 1960s and early 79s? And please explain to all those in the Reserves and Guard just how their service is pointless and worthless?
My point was that this particular person went out of his way to avoid serving in vietnam but then as president pushed the country into invading Iraq. I'm sure there are thousands of families who needlessly lost sons and daughters over there who hate this bastard as much as I do.
And there are many who loved the man.My point is, when did you serve in Vietnam?
The Vietnam war ended before I even graduated from high school.
Ok, fine. My point is, by your standard, in order to send troops to war you have to have fought in a war.You were not in a war.So by your own standard, your opinion on the matter is moot. After all, if Military experience is the standard for decision makers to commit troops... you don't meet it and George Bush meets it much more so than you do. Bill Clinton doesn't meet it at all. Neither does Ronal Reagan (who was so blind he never saw combat) nor was Jimmy Carter (who sat underwater never seeing combat.) In fact, by your standard, the most recent President who is worthy to use the military was Gerald Ford, who fought with the Navy during WWII.
Thanks for changing the subject again, from Jim at least partially back to the original topic (George W. Bush's military service.While I once considered enlisting, I never did, so you would judge Dubya to be ahead of Jim and me and lots of other people by that standard. That's perfectly fine. On the other hand, it doesn't mean the rest of us can't question his motives for enlisting, just because you suggest we can't. We're perfectly free to question that, and to consider some accounts that while he did enlist he might not have really shown up a whole lot and that it might have been for the purpose of avoiding combat. We'll probably not ever know what really went on. Whether that's why he enlisted or not, the National Guard is invaluable to America. And to suggest someone may have enlisted in it to avoid Vietnam is in no way demeaning to the Guard itself.
Its not my standard, that's Jim's standard from what he said. I happen to think civilian control of the military is a good thing.As for why he enlisted, if his purpose for COMMISSION (Bush was never enlisted) was to avoid Vietnam service, I must certainly say he avoided it a lot more honorably than say... Bill Clinton.
Further, being a fighter pilot is not an easy job. If avoiding Vietnam were his only goal, I'd think there might be some much easier and less likely to deploy jobs such as... cook.I tend to believe Bush. He wasn't good enough to be on the active rolls and a fighter pilot, had his heart set on flying, and so did so with the guard. Like a lot of folks, he wasn't psyched to go but if they called him, he would have went.As for missing some drills, you can do that if you follow the correct procedure, which Bush did.
I don't think that GWB is an intelligent man. This fighter pilot business, however, simply does not square with his reputation and a dummy. Dummies don't do well as pilots--and perhaps that why he skipped out. Maybe. Someone here has suggested that Bush didn't simply disappear for months on end, he merely missed a few drills. This doesn't square with what was reported, or with what the GWB administration removed from the public record. I come from a military family--400 years worth, I grew up on military bases. My son lost his life while serving in the 82nd AB, but I cannot say that I have ever heard of an officer disappearing as Bush supposedly did, without serious repercussions--repercussions so serious that they would destroy any political career. That he stayed state-side, that he skipped out on his responsibilities and essentially negated his flight training (not cheap to provide) and all his training, and then allowed his handlers to diminish even disparage Kerrey's honorable war record is more than I can take. Here's something GWB should know: one might not like to see a decorated vet throw away the silver and bronze stars, but in order to do that, one must first earn them. Any President who knowingly makes pre-emptive war based on lies and then turns over all the contracts to supply that war to his own VP--how many red flags do we need? Have we lost our minds? Not even Civil War profiteers were as jaded as this.
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