Friday, March 22, 2013

You Want Health Care With That?

This story perfectly illustrates why our medical system works so poorly. Burgers, Fries and Lies

4 comments:

free0352 said...

People don't kill people, guns do. People don't make themselves fat, hamburgers do. This whole thought process rejects personal accountability.

But the NY Times post does bring up a fatal flaw in socialist thinking. When you collectivise something, everybody benefits together. However, everybody suffers together too.

If people paid for their own medical care, nobody would care if you ate fast food 3 meals a day and died at 35 because that is a personal choice. Now that we all pay for each other -and other's decisions have an effect on our wallets- everybody suddenly cares.

And that is where the need for control comes into play.

Its the road to serfdom. Its why they had mandatory exercise programs in Soviet Russia.

I have a better idea. Instead of collectivization lets do the opposite. Lets put people on their own. That way, if you decide to smoke cigarettes and get cancer, or eat like a pig and get heart disease, or do drugs and need rehab its your problem. You suffer, no one else does. In the long run it will be much cheaper, because if you make good decisions about your body you will reap the rewards. In a socialized system, no matter what decisions you make you'll still have to fund the 300 pound fatty with the smoking habit... or live in a society where every vice is criminalized.

S.W. Anderson said...

". . . People don't make themselves fat, hamburgers do. This whole thought process rejects personal accountability."

Attention ladies and gentlemen. We have a winner in the freestyle conclusion-jumping event.

"Now that we all pay for each other -and other's decisions have an effect on our wallets- everybody suddenly cares."

It would be good if suddenly everybody was to care, but that's not the case. Recall those Republicans who hooted and cheered after someone hollered "Let him die!" at a February 2012 GOP candidates debate. Ron Paul had been asked, "What do you do about some guy in his thirties (who lacks insurance) who suddenly has a heart attack?"

And, this is how we all don't pay for each other:

September 17, 2009 N.Y. Times story: Harvard Medical Study Links Lack of Insurance to 45,000 U.S. Deaths a Year.

Re: personal responsibility. Millions of Americans are overweight for no other reason than that they make poor choices where diet and exercise are concerned, no doubt about it. Just how many millions isn't known.

Millions of others are significantly overweight primarily because of physical, psychological, emotional and living-situation problems that are beyond their ability to overcome on their own. Preventive-care provisions in the American Care Act offer the prospect of help for many of these people — to their benefit and everyone else's.

Both types of seriously and chronically overweight people have a hard row to hoe, even with professional help. Lifelong habits are hard to break, and a low-efficiency metabolism can be hell to try to overcome, even for the most determined.

So, let's not rush to make broad and harsh judgments about the heavy duties among us. Their situations are much more individual and complex than simply choosing salad over a burger and fries for lunch. Many of them need education and professional help. Seeing to it those things are available to them is a sound investment for all of us.

jim marquis said...

It's not always about personal responsibility. You could get in your car today and get T-boned. Do you have an extra hundred thousand lying around the house you can use to pay for your treatment and hospital stay?

And remember, you can't use insurance. Because insurance is a system that collectivizes risk.

free0352 said...

Do you have an extra hundred thousand lying around the house you can use to pay for your treatment and hospital stay?

No, I have insurance I pay for, for that.

If you don't, you're an idiot. Why should we have to suffer for it?

More over, why should we have to suffer for fat asses? Or smokers? There are two logical pathways to that. Big Brother controlling calories and testing for nicotine or the other where in a socialized medicine scenario where they are left in the cold to die.

I like leaving them in the cold to die. However I don't like socialized medicine, so I say pay your own freight. If you want medical care, its expensive. Make the sacrifice and pay for it, or don't.

I don't care which.