Tuesday, December 11, 2012

The Numbers Don't Lie

Makes you wonder if maybe we should be talking about LOWERING the age people can get on Medicare...

15 comments:

clif said...

So why are we tax payers handing EXTRA money to the private organisations to run parts of Medicare again?

The government gives great service for less money.

Stupid right wingers, screech about budget deficits then DEMAND we waste tax payer money guaranteeing private corporations profits like this.

S.W. Anderson said...

This is one reason why Republicans/conservatives/tea partyers want Medicare privatized or otherwise ruined. Like Social Security, it's actual record contradicts everything they have to say about non-defense federal programs. Medicare works, with good efficiency and to the public's general satisfaction. And it does that for a lot less money than the HMO's.

It's something like if a global-warming exhibit were to be set up outside the Senate office of James Inhofe, R-Okla. Which, come to think of it, would be a great idea. :)

free0352 said...

Don't bother to ask why this is. It isn't a lack of efficiency. It regulative cost. Put the government on the same regulation playing field as private companies and well see who does a better job. Not to mention sales fees, advertising fees... Etc

clif said...

Don't bother to ask why this is. It isn't a lack of efficiency. It regulative cost. Put the government on the same regulation playing field as private companies and well see who does a better job. Not to mention sales fees, advertising fees... Etc

got a verifiable factual link;

or just more hot air??????

Demeur said...

It's what happens when you don't have top heavy organizations paying its' CEO multi million dollar salaries.

Let me add a little history here folks for those of you who weren't a glint in the old mans' eye before all this changed. Hospitals and insurance companies were all nonprofit prior to the HMOs coming around. Yes that's true. You could actually afford to to see a doctor or a trip to the emergency room without re-mortgaging the house. I know I've lived through this.

T. Paine said...

The problem is that Medicare accessibility is getting worse and worse. The government mandates what a doctor's fees can be for seeing Medicare patients. If the fees are such that the doctor breaks even or loses money, he will stop seeing more patients. My primary care doctor is shedding his Medicare patients just for this reason. My cardiologist is currently not taking any more Medicare patients either. Health care insurance doesn't do you any good if you cannot find a doctor who takes it.

clif said...

HMOs started under the Nixon admin.

One more rat fuck he foisted on us all.

Snave said...

If doctors are shedding their Medicare patients, and if health care doesn't do you any good if you can't find a doctor who takes it, then it sounds to me like we need to find a way to get more doctors to take it. Maybe the government itself needs to hire doctors to take care of those Medicare patients, and maybe it needs to pay them well in order to get good doctors providing those services.

Competition is good, right? This is what my friends on the right always tell me. So why not let the government compete with the private sector in this area?

Snave said...

I should have tacked a smiley onto that last comment, because I know it would probably not happen. Just throwing it out there! 8-)

T. Paine said...

Yeah, have the government hire doctors. Because everything they have done is so much more efficient than is the private sector.

And we have the added benefit of adding more government employees to the tax payer payroll.

I think every last one of us should work for the government. But then there would be the problem of no other tax payers left in the private sector to actually pay all of our salaries.
Hmmm....

Snave said...

Seeing as how doctors represent a fairly small percentage of America's population (especially since it often requires a pretty fair amount of money to go to med school to begin with) I don't really think it would hurt our economy a whole lot if the government was to hire some of the nation's doctors.

What's your solution to the problem of doctors taking fewer Medicare patients? I mean, besides simply aying government shouldn't be involved in health care at all, because government IS involved in health care, and it looks like that is here to stay. So I guess the question might be better phrased then as "What do you think the government role should be in arranging things so more doctors want to take on more Medicare patients?"

If it's about money and about getting paid for one's work, then the government can raise the amount that doctors can make for seeing the patients. Of course we all know what that would mean, so that's an automatic "no", right? But do you really see any other solution?

This is why I brought up the idea of the government hiring some of the nation's doctors. If that happened though, how long would it be before the term "Medicare doctor" would take on (in certain circles) the same shine as other favorite 'talking point' terms like "welfare queen"?

Is there student loan forgiveness for those who get medical degrees? I can't imagine it would be easy for some people to pay off eight or more years of student loans. Forgiving them their debts would certainly be a way to put more money in their pockets, and that might be a way to keep some of the younger doctors seeing Medicare patients.

As the problem becomes more evident, instead of complaining about the situation I believe people will put their heads together and come up with some solutions.

clif said...

Because everything they have done is so much more efficient than is the private sector.

Works at the VA the most effective health care organisation in the entire country. Heck they can even negotiate with drug company to get the best price for the medication they use for their patients,

This 100% disabled combat vet should know.


BTW I wonder why the GOpers in congress prevented Medicare from saving the tax payers money from being wasted by forbidding Medicare Part D from doing EXACTLY the same thing?

Are republicans really that stupid?

Oh right, just that greedy.

free0352 said...

The obvious fact Medicare has quantified immunity and can't be sued, unlike insurance companies who are sued many thousands of times per day. Medicare doesn't need an advertising budget. Medicare can sell across state lines. Medicare doesn't even have to sell, people are forced to pay into it.

I mean really, how can you not just know this? You're being purposely obtuse, and its pathetic.

free0352 said...

Works at the VA the most effective health care organisation in the entire country

Well, this 90% disabled combat veteran thinks you're full of fucking shit.

The best ever really?

Did you get TBI so bad you went brain dead?

clif said...

Yes the care IS first rate but due to right wingers in congress who REFUSE to fully fund the VA the back log does grow when the right wing runs illegal immoral wars for a decade while not increasing the VA to handle the returning vets from said illegal immoral wars of choice they dishonestly pushed for.