Monday, December 3, 2012

Stop Funding the Problem

Future generations are going to look back on the history of climate change and will have to assume we were all really, really high.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-12-02/fossil-fuel-subsidies-of-rich-nations-are-five-times-climate-aid

8 comments:

T. Paine said...

Jim, you have convinced me. I am shutting off my electricity right now as well as my gas line into the house. I will now ride my bike 20 miles to work each day. I know I can count on you to follow my lead and do likewise, since you were the impetus for this wonderful change.

Cheers! :)

jim marquis said...

That's not what I'm advocating, TP. I just think we need to begin gradually shifting over to technology that produces power without exacerbating the carbon buildup.

And it's completely possible. My stepmom used to drive a Thunderbird that got around 12 miles per gallon. Today I drive a Prius that gets 50 miles per gallon. I'm hoping that in a few years my next car will get over 100miles per gallon.

Steve said...

Jim, I'm sorry- the Thunderbird your stepmom drove back in the day was most likely a V8 motor; nowadays, cars are able to get by with so much less.

Considering the vast amounts of resources it takes to build one Prius far outweighs any ecological advantage to driving it.

Consider the nickel for the battery is mined in Ontario, refined in Europe, manufactured in Japan, and then brought back to America to be placed in the vehicle.

How long is the battery good for in your Prius? 7, 8 years? Now, you've paid a pretty penny to feel good about the fact you're driving a 'green' vehicle; how much more will it cost you in disposal fees of that battery pack once it reaches the point of failure, and what is the cost of the new one? (Of course the salesperson didn't mention these costs to you up-front; do some research... and open your eyes.)

My 2006 Saturn is completely paid for without any 'green' surcharges that you've paid, gets 33 MPG highway, and I'll be able to drive it to 250,000 miles (as long as I do my best to get real gasoline in it, instead of the 10%-15% corn crap.)

Once you factor in the subsidies, the kilowatt-per-hour cost of all of your various "alternative energies" far exceed what is readily available now- and considering the alternative energy 'craze' has been going on since a peanut farmer was elected POTUS, that's 35 years of failure on an alternative energy front.

free0352 said...

I just think we need to begin gradually shifting over to technology that produces power without exacerbating the carbon buildup.

You got a little problem there killer, there is no such thing. Never will be. "Green" energy is a miserable failure and has been for 35 years.

Switch to coal and drive on.

free0352 said...

Consider the nickel for the battery is mined in Ontario, refined in Europe, manufactured in Japan, and then brought back to America to be placed in the vehicle

Think about the millions of gallons of fuel needed for all that transportation. Ships, trucks... good lord. It would be more energy efficient had you drove a rocket ship to work.

jim marquis said...

The high mileage vehicles are becoming more popular all the time (see Ford's recent efforts). As sales increase the whole production system will get a lot more efficient.

You think I'm wrong? Just wait until we have big oil price spike due to a war wit Iran or whatever.

Steve said...

Of course, the price of gasoline wouldn't be at double the price it was when Obama was first sworn into office if ANWAR had been opened up for drilling.

I don't remember if it was the Dept. of Energy head or not that wanted gas over $7 a gallon...

...and you're still not going to change the manufacturing aspect. WE're still talking Ontario to Europe to Japan, back to the USA for the batteries.

(Of course, don't let a silly thing like facts get in the way of your soapbox, Jim...)

-- S.

Steve said...

"Global Warming" stopped 16 years ago...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2CJO3OWux